@ Above - You can try "Moonshine Pixel Dungeon" - Just came out, in alpha, they added a gun-slinger (and the game kinda sucks, based off an older version of shattered).

@ Evan - I had no idea about throwing levitation potions!

@ Someone else - Never thought to throw weapons down pits before! That is some pro-level stuff there!

Also - The Time-Hourglass is like... Fricken AMAZING, it recharges real fast and they sell the upgrade items in most stores (if you got it). It's 2nd function is all but useless, but it's main function is absolutely game-breaking. It's one of the only items I often switch on and off (even if I have an optimal run going) - I would call it "Cloak of shadows on crack" - Because it lets you close the distance on every enemy in the game.

As for artifacts that seem very underpowered - The talisman of foresight seems quite weak to me, as usual it's better than nothing, but it just ain't that hot. I've also come to believe that the horn of plenty isn't too hot unless you get it VERY EARLY... And those sandals of nature ain't very good either.

At the end of the day.... Pretty much all my winners end up getting a wearable armor from the ghost (or they already found one and get a wep) - Then mid game I'm riding on chainmail (I never use scale armour unless it drops with upgrades) - In essence all my winners get Plate armor EARLY. +3 plate armor on a guy with 3 too few str to use it, still blocks almost all damage.

I also save all of my enchanting things until I have my plate armor... Because any enchantment that lowers the defense (or hurts the user) SUCKS.... SO I save up like 5, and that usually guarentees that I can land a good enchant (with stone being the best, followed by earthroot, followed by charm), although earthroot can get you killed in demon halls. Plate armor is also almost always what I use troll blacksmith for, just because of the random nature of drops.... There's like... 5 armors and 20 weapons, so obviously you probably use it on armor.

I'd also like to say that Horn of Plenty + Wand of Regroth can be a great conbo if you actually wanna take the time to get infinite seeds.

Oh & Evan I gots an idea.... Just gonna throw this out there.... Let us throw blandfruit on a fire to just cook it just to eat. Maybe even make it "burnt blandfruit" and make it give crappy "hunger-restore"... I dunno.... I like to recomend stuff that wouldn't break the game, but would just add the smallest bit of depth. (I also get hungry in the dungeon sometimes, and I always save my blandfruit for starfruit [which don't always appear])

And ya know what?

What if you brought the amulet of yendor tothe Rat King?

COME ON!

Make it do something - hell... make it kill us and give us the hardest to get "Death Medal"

That's all I got.

Also - The above guy was me.... I don't know why my account disappeared - But I made a new one.

@SuperShinron I recently found the shattered PD reddit. Its got a little more activity than the wiki, Evan also recently realeased a beta version of shattered - with the throwables hugely expanded. I just started a huntress playthrough and It's changed her sad, neglected, pixelated life! Link:  (Thank you Evan!!!)

https://www.reddit.com/r/PixelDungeon/comments/7r8ac7/shattered_pixel_dungeon_beta_v063/#bottom-comments 

@Evan, Loving the new version but, WOW it needs a new pouch to hold them all! my huntress is on depth 9 and she has 6 ranged weapon types (counting her boomerang). That's a third of her inventory. So, thrown items have a limited number of uses. What happens if an item is down to it's last use and the player finds more of them? Is the use counter in the entire stack refreshed or are the new thrown items degraded to match the pre existing stack? I've found thrown items to be incredibly useful in this play through - i've even passed on wands in crystal chests for the first time in forever. 

@superShinron, I think i agree with you on the sandals of nature. They do feel like they increase seed drops as they level up, which increases potion creations (untill Evan caps that at least) but the benifits arent as directly impacting. The talisman of foresight can be handy. Until recently, i had forgotten about it's scry ability. It's basically a recharging scroll of magic maping - which can be a game changer if the level's upgrades/str pots are sitting in a hidden room. 

Hey, going over your points:

The hourglass is indeed a fun artifact, but don't discount its second ability! It's definitely more circumstantial, but all effects pass while you're frozen. This means it's quite nice if you want to negate debuffs, or let enemies get bored and leave you alone. Its function is very similar to the cloak, but there are a couple key differences, the biggest being that the hourglass is much less helpful for surprise attacks as you never go invisible.

Foresight is a bit weak right now, but it got some help from the new secrets in 0.6.2. The horn is extremely good early but can still hold its own when found in the midgame. The sandals are also a bit weak, but feed into specific niches. Artifacts in general were designed to work well in niche situations, so not all of them need to be generally powerful.

Regarding armor, plate is definitely good but you can get similar performance from a scale or chain with more upgrades. Plate and scale both account for about 45 percent of won runs, and chain makes up most of the remaining 10. As far as glyphs go, holding onto styli to use many at once is a good strategy, although I am looking into relaxing the downsides of some of the more common glyphs. For example, in 0.6.3 obfuscation will no longer reduce defence.

Regarding blandfruit, I don't want to do this because the whole point is that the fruit let's you get a free conversion from seed to potion. If your desperate for a faster cooked fruit just use a lesser seed, sungrass is quite good.

Regarding Rat King, I'm not against him having more gameplay tied to him, but at the end of the day he is a joke character and not meant to be a serious part of the games story. If I do more with him it'll likely be tied to an april fools event.

@shmmee

Glad some folks here are discovering other PD communities, although keep in mind that the subreddit is for all pd-related discussion, even if shattered is most popular. Also, I usually don't make betas subreddit-exclusive, but I'm running into distribution issues on google play right now.

Regarding ranged weapons, I've made several major adjustments to them since early beta, so make sure you're on the latest version (0.5, possibly updating to 0.6 tonight), as one of the major changes was slashing their drop rate. I am looking into overhauling inventory management to make way for more consumables though. If you find more ranged weapons the stack will retain lost durability. Think of it like how 1.5 + 2 = 3.5.

Also it's worth noting that as of 0.6.2 progression items cant be hidden anymore. Secret rooms now contain unique loot only.

The rat king could at least offer more gold from the chests imo (+100 - 200), otherwise he's practically useless with that tiny bit of gold amount actually.

I also have a question: Would you mind adding something like rare and randomly appearing mini bosses in the future, in addition to the rare monsters? For more diversity. Because actually if you already have played a lot, gameplay often feels all-the-same, mostly because the "mob system" in every stage is very similar and also because there could really be more different mobs generally. There are actually only 4 different mobs per stage, 2 meelee and 1 ranged + 1 rare variant.

Rare and randomly appearing mini bosses (probably with a small change for an unique item drop like an unique weapon that you only can get from this mini boss) could add a lot to the diversity and fun i think.

I have been playing Shattered a bit lately. I loved the Origonal, pre-decay, but this is just much more of a blast.

I have been concentrating of Wardens recently. They need a bit of luck at the beginning, but finish quite indestructably. Obviously, if you can get by Dwarf King with enough mappings and mind visions, the 'Spectral Blades is' just killer. I just finished a game with finding on my map of lvl 22 a room just down the hall from the entry, that was full of mob-generator 'traps'. This one produced 24 mobs, and so I went there 1st. Thow item on floor. Immeadiately take invis potion. Run down hall and around corner. Use mind vision, total 34! Spectral! Spectral! Spectral! Went from lvl 22 to lvl 26! Had 2 Exp Potions and one from seed. Ran as quickly and invis as possible to exit of lvl 24.  Down. Mind visions. Walk south. Hide behind post. Spectral! Spectral! Spectral! Spectral! Spectral! Heal. Exp potion. Exp Potions, Seed. I was lvl 29! about 5 minutes after lvl 22. 

So, while Huntress is tough start, with right items is absolute killer finish! Hope I didn't blab too much to temp tempering?

BTW, with Huntress being weak at start, I will ALWAYS upgrade any chain with a +1 or better immeadiately to +4, then use Blacksmith for +5. That, with a nice Camoflauge or some such, is good for the game. Rest can be put into weapon, and any really good rings. 

My favorite combo was find flait [awesome damage, no accuracy], and, of course, I found +2 Ring of Accuracy!  Awful carnage that day! 

Most hated thing? Weapon found with Luck! If it weren't for bad luck, I get no luck at all from that buff! SAYS more often helps. Lies!  I hate trying to land that big blow with my +7 Lucky Great Axe, and missing literally 15 times in succession. And do not tell me was just 'a run of bad luck', because I have had that 'buff' more than once. Aweful. 

Ofther bad buff: Flaming! I will just throw away [or sell, actually] and flaming weapon, even an upgraded one. FAR more likely to cause my death than save my life, not to mention the lost scrolls [And why always the Mapping scrolls burn 1st?].

Overall, Shattered is even more fun that origional, great piece of creation! 

Gotta go now. I have a thief with Camo armour and Assassin's blade. Another great combo. Have fun!

You´re right about the lucky enchantment. The description says luck is tipped to your favor, but it rather feels like 50/50 at best.

Finished my thief from above. BTW, I think the Origonal had 'lucky' buff about right. Just add around 25% to each successful hit, change nothing else, the luck is simply scoring a more precise hit for damage. This 'all or nothing is horrible. Especially because you try to hit so often at doors. If you are UNluckcy and miss, you certainly wish you had the real luck to never get that 'buff'. Hate it!

Most fun wand for me is one that pushes mobs away [suddenly cant recall name]. Killing mobs in rooms with flaming/explosion traps is just push them in. And of course into pits and watch them spin in for crash. 

I won a game recently where I lost a Upgrade to a thief, and another to accidently upgrading wrong piece. I hade normal scale to +3, and regular flail, with as many as I could. BUT, I had +1 Ring of Accuracy, and +1 [upgraded to +2] Ring of Furor. Perfect for that weapon. It is still possible to win with less upgrades if you get right combo of equipment. 

BTW, why is Potential seen as 'good' buff for armour? You cannot 'remove curse' on it. It is definitely NOT good. Pray for stylus.

Now to serious: What is the likelihood of 'cursed equipment' by %? I had a sequence where my finds in my 1st 5 lvls were curses more than 20 consecutive times. And, of course, remove curse scrolls wiere not to be found. I got so frustrated that I deleted and rebooted Shattered. Since then chances seem back to normal. But surely it might be fair to make certain the number of 'remove curse' scrolls on first 5 lvls nearly equals the cursed items. Lol, I guess that is difficult if that status is only decided upon finding. Is it?

Yo Evan, love the new update, but the game is demonstrably easier now. Once ya learn to start using the new throwables it just gets ya out of tight spots.

My main thing now is to request a rework of the UI... Sometimes you'll be fighting and your finger will press that useless back arrow key beneath the icon that makes you attack the enemy, and your guy will stupidly run away while somehow getting attacked every step, and against a magic user this can spell death.

Also - dwarf king needs a major boost. I killed him the other day by throwing 2 poision potions between his two spots (cloud covers both), and he just died to 2 potions and a couple throw pieces of crap.

The game is more fun... But we veterans can detect a new form of easyness not there before... I guess this happens when you give us more options...

BTW I'm now a huge fan of the unstable spell book, and I think you should axe or really rework the horn of plenty... All I do with it is upgrade it immediately and change it to something else. It basically never really solves the food problem and by the time it's good every extra piece of food is now worthless...

Do note I love the new update...

What if you let humaniod enemies use potions? A chemist enemy would be bloody awesome and probably easy to code... Just have it throw potions.

Glad you're enjoying the recent changes! Improving tools which the player has access to does make the game easier, but I do have large overarching stats on this sort of thing, and overall winrates haven't changed significantly over the last several updates. Infact the nerfs I've been making to the berserker alone are more than enough to counterbalance the addition of these new ranged weapons.

Regarding the UI, at some point it's not really possible to design something that makes mistaps impossible. The continue moving button is meant to allow you to force movement to persist even if something would normally interrupt you.

I agree that dwarf king (and bosses in general) need changes, but I'd rather rework them entirely than just buff them.

The horn of plenty is very helpful to new players, but I think the annoyance people have with it in the lategame is more due to food not being very interesting in the lategame. I'd like to add some more lategame food interations at some point, which will probably make the horn more appealing.

A chemist enemy would be extremely powerful, most potions are significantly more harmful than an enemy attack.