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  • Hey, Shadow, long time no see. Hehehe... [Sorry about that.]

    But anyways, I've been mulling over something for a bit now.

    Apparently, you don't know who you're talking to, or you wouldn't be speaking so carelessly as you already have. [...] Papayaman1000 is a veteran contributor.

    If that was the first thing I saw in a community, I'd have one reaction: Run. Run and never look back.

    Look, I appreciate you handling the situation, but let's maybe shy away from statements that imply long-time users are any more deserving of respect than anyone else. I know you probably didn't mean anything by it [and you were probably just referring to your own status as an admin], but let's try really hard to not insinuate something like that.

    Yes, there's a hierarchy on this wiki. It's the hierarchy of bureaucracy, made up of our friendly admins and such. We don't need anything past that, and definitely don't need to imply we do/already have that.

    That's all.

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    • Papayaman1000 wrote:
      Hey, Shadow, long time no see. Hehehe...

      You mean *talk*?

      Indeed.

      [Sorry about that.]

      No apologies necessary; you're a busy man - you clarified that multiple times.
      Besides, we agreed in our last communiqué that we'd touch base in summer & you'd update me on whether or not you'd be able to rejoin us in KHUX.
      I haven't forgotten - I'm merely waiting until then.


      If that was the first thing I saw in a community, I'd have one reaction: Run. Run and never look back.

      <Sardonicism>*Snort*  Well, it's not like there's much of a community left (if any) to run away from, anyway</Sardonicism>; so nothing of value was really lost from banning such an offender/toxic individual.
      (Everyone else who's new has been protected & remain largely unaffected, since they haven't done anything that <Sardonicism>warrants such a response.</Sardonicism>)

      ...let's maybe shy away from statements that imply long-time users are any more deserving of respect than anyone else.
      ...let's try really hard to not insinuate something like that.

      That was not what I was implying at all.
      (I likely should've used *verified* contributor, rather than 'veteran'.)

      Yes, there's a hierarchy on this wiki.
      ...

      We don't need anything past that, and definitely don't need to imply we do/already have that.

      This is where I highly disagree with you, and is quite likely the very reason this issue occurred in the first place.

      Here's why:

      If passerbys/anonymous contributors on this wiki weren't investigative enough to click on our profiles, to discover that some of us are indeed Admins, they would never know we're Admins in the first place (as was the case for me, around the time I started visiting this wiki), unless others spoke up for us, because this wiki's forum lacks something that other website forums (& chat rooms) have, and it's the Admin/Moderator/et c. tag beside the names of those who are one, whenever leaving a post/comment.

      The very presence of such tags alone, act as a visual/psychological deterrent for behavior such as what we've recently experienced here - a policing of sorts.  This has clearly been evident on other forums I've quietly observed.
      And since that very system is not in place here, it opens the way for wanton disrespect & toxicity - toxicity that was largely absent back when I was more actively policing our wiki/the forum, than I am now.
      [See:  Broken Windows Theory]
      I said what I said out of defense for a community member, for one of our own, for you - as is my duty as the Forum Admin.
      If it had only been me that he called that name, I likely wouldn't have said anything further & just informed him he was being banned, before promptly proceeding to do so; but the moment he included you in his toxicity was the final straw.
      An example had to be made.
      And that is all the thought I gave on the matter.

      Granted, I could've worded/phrased things better (as an Admin normally would/should have), but like I said to you in that thread, I was in complete Zero-Tolerance mode by then - I was not having it.
      (Hulk + Mjolnir = Bye!)

      I'll try to do better & be more level-headed/patient next time (if I'm still here fulfilling my Admin duties by then); can't promise/guarantee this will never happen again, though - but I will try.

      Thank you for raising your concern(s), though; your input has been gratefully taken into consideration.

      Cheers.

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    • Shadow Automaton wrote:

      If passerbys/anonymous contributors on this wiki weren't investigative enough to click on our profiles, to discover that some of us are indeed Admins, they would never know we're Admins in the first place (as was the case for me, around the time I started visiting this wiki), unless others spoke up for us, because this wiki's forum lacks something that other website forums (& chat rooms) have, and it's the Admin/Moderator/et c. tag beside the names of those who are one, whenever leaving a post/comment.

      Yeah, an admin tag would be infinitely useful. But Wikia... er, Fandom [ugh] being what it is, that means that we're certain to never get it.

      <rant>

      [Seriously, why does Wikia seem to insist that fans of *everything* owe them a bunch? Yeah, it's easier to set up a bog-standard wiki, but all they've really done is created a crappy BuzzFeed thing, named the one good thing about the network after it, and gave a huge middle finger to any wikis that already exist, such as official Curse wikis, official Valve wikis, the much-better Nintendo Independent Wiki Alliance, and any other fan projects that have much merit. Because, oh yeah, I totally prefer some fiery Demon Hall made and "maintained" by a bored 8-year-old! Why wouldn't I, it's through that crappy article site!]

      </rant>

      And, just... I do appreciate you standing up for me, and even moreso the community. I just want to avoid sounding like we're one of those obnoxious communities where admins at the beck and call of older users. Even proto-admin powers are something that should be earned by demonstrating an ability and a desire to use them properly; I think that's an important facet of any welcoming community, and we should do our best to give off the impression that we care.

      Always nice talking with you.

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