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  • I have recently started finding only one potion of strength per boss, I was sure it was 2... 

    Am I missing a room with the potion or is there a chance of generating 1 potion instead of 2 before every Boss.


    Thanks for the answer :D

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    • there should be around 7-8 str potions a game

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      • There is no Potion of Strength in boss depths and depth 21: that explains the generation variability, as a potion can be internally generated (decreasing the overall 9 potions counter) but won’t be dropped in those depths,
      • 1 potion max per floor,
      • stage 1: 2 potions,
      • stages 2 to 4: 1 (40 %) or 2 (60 %) potions,
      • stage 5 : 0 (40 %) or 1 (60 %) potion.

      So, in the whole dungeon, you will find 5 to 9 Potions of Strength, with a 12.96 % probability to find them all.

      While I’m speaking of it, here’s the same thing for Scrolls of Upgrade:

      • There is no Scroll of Upgrade in boss depths and depth 21: that explains the generation variability, as a scroll can be internally generated (decreasing the overall 13 scrolls counter) but won’t be dropped in those depths,
      • 1 scroll max per floor,
      • stages 1 to 4: 2 (60 %) or 3 (40 %) scrolls,
      • stage 5: 0 (40 %) or 1 (60 %) scroll.

      So, in the whole dungeon, you will find 8 to 13 Scrolls of Upgrade, with a 1.536 % probability to find them all.

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    • Thanks Ethaniel! you are always so helpful! I love to have my numbers clear and you are like a halogen lamp!


      How sad would it be to only get 5 potions of strength in the whole game! that would ruin the game for anyone. RNG god please be kind unto us!!!

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    • RNG god hears your plea... then places a paralysis trap the next step away and a dwarf warlock around the corner.

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    • Ethaniel wrote:
      stage 5: 0 (40 %) or 1 (60 %) scroll.

      I've found 2 Scroll of Upgrade in Demon Halls stage! (in Depth 22, Depth 24)

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    • OK, so there really is a rounding issue on the Dalvik VM, as I carefully checked the algorithm again and again and cannot see how it could generate 2 SoU in Demon Halls.

      Another possible explanation is that the discovery of a SoU at depth 22 somehow wasn’t registered (in the save files?) Did you quit and restart the game between depths 22 and 24?

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    • 112.145.46.109 wrote:
      I've found 2 Scroll of Upgrade in Demon Halls stage! (in Depth 22, Depth 24)

      I knew I wasn't crazy when I said this happened to me a while back.

      Ethaniel wrote:
      Did you quit and restart the game between depths 22 and 24?

      That's a pretty big exploit, if another Upgrade scroll (& therefore a Strength potion as well) can be generated by doing that.  =D

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    • I think I had 2 Scrolls of Update too in the last stage, once. I though I was crazy, because I knew it's impossible, but... ;)

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    • Ethaniel wrote: OK, so there really is a rounding issue on the Dalvik VM, as I carefully checked the algorithm again and again and cannot see how it could generate 2 SoU in Demon Halls.

      Its quite possible for there to be two scrolls of upgrade in Demon Halls:

      • At depth 19, 11 have been generated (one more needed)
      • Go to depth 20, since it's a boss level, it doesn't generate or increment the counter
      • At depth 21 (the shop level) the quota jumps into the next bracket so the scroll that didn't get generated doesn't need to be generated immediately
      • The other two scrolls spawn on depths 22 to 24

      Of course, the only reason that you would get an extra scroll in the demon halls is because you "lost" one from the city so it's not at all helpful. (Personally I feel this is a bit of a flaw and the SOU quota should be like the POS quota in that items must generate before the boss level)

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    • Right, it’s indeed possible since v1.6.4 (only for SoU, not for PoS), i.e. since 2014/04/05. Of all testimonies about “2 SoU in DH” have been given after that date, we now have a logical explanation! =)

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    • I started the Prison with no Scroll of Upgrade, so it was easy to count. And I just found 4 scrolls of Upgrade in the Prison, one at each depth. Is it possible???

      Notice that I killed Goo two times with the ankh's trick, I don't know if it can have influence. I also had a long pause after Goo, playing a lot of other runs with other characters. (Lastly, I used two beacons in this runs, but I guess there  is no impact?...)

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    • Chouia wrote:
      I started the Prison with no Scroll of Upgrade, so it was easy to count. And I just found 4 scrolls of Upgrade in the Prison, one at each depth. Is it possible???

      Since v1.6.4, it’s possible, see newly updated Scroll of Upgrade#Obtaining: If you had only 2 scrolls at the end of the Sewers, then you can find 4 scrolls in the Prison in order to reach 6 scrolls.

      Notice that I killed Goo two times with the ankh's trick, I don't know if it can have influence.

      No influence.

      (Lastly, I used two beacons in this runs, but I guess there  is no impact?...)

      No impact.

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    • Thanks for the update! If it's 11-13 scrolls, and not 8-13, I understand now why I were always so lucky! ;)

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    • It was 8 to 13. Until some months ago. ;)

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